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Alliance #107 Rubber Band Tests

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One of my favorite flat bands are ordinary Alliance #107 rubber bands, available from most office supply stores in the US, though I buy mine from Amazon.com. They are cheap, require no tricky cutting and last a long time. Are they good enough for you? Good question, so I decided to do some tests to help you decide.

For comparison, I used two identical frames, my own design La Cholita in half inch plywood. One frame was banded with #107s and the other with .050 food grade latex from RubberSheetRoll.com cut the same width as the #107s. Both bandsets were fitted with Performance Catapult's (Jim Harris) pouches. I tied them on with thin strips of TB Gold in an OTT configuration and 8 inches between the pouch-tie point and the frame.

The first step was to fire 25 break-in rounds with each slingshot. I used .375 (9.4 mm) lead balls, and got a bit of hand-slap with both, indicating there is more energy available. Then I measured my draw-length at 34 inches, and using a digital fish scale measured the pull strength at 14.08 pounds for the #107s and 11.44 pounds for the latex.

Next I set up my speed test equipment, consisting of a metal chair with a wooden stick affixed to the back and a clothespin to hold a 5x8 inch index card located exactly 10 feet away from my catch box fabric. Then I placed my Acer Netbook on the chair and using Audacity, I recorded the sounds of a dozen or so shots from each slingshot hitting first the 5x8 card and then the cloth backstop 10 feet away. Then I transferred the files to my big computer and read the files to measure the elapsed time between the two strikes. I entered that information into a spreadsheet and calculated the speed in fps for each shot and finally got an average speed and energy. Here are the results.

#107
Average for 10 shots = 173.87 fps, 5.03 lbs/ft energy

.050 latex
Average for 10 shots = 183.95 fps, 5.60 lbs/ft energy

So far, no surprises. I expected the latex to be faster, but was pleasantly surprised to find the #107s to be as fast as they are.

Next, I will shoot both slingshots until the bandsets wear out or break. Past experience tells me to expect about 300 shots from the latex and more from the #107s. Every shot is recorded, so for the first time I will have an accurate count. Whichever breaks first will be replaced with a set of Tex's Field bands, and I will do the same speed, energy, and longevity tests on them, for comparison purposes. Note: Everyone already knows that Tex's bands are as good as it gets, so there really is no need for me to reinvent the wheel.

Henry

14 August, 2011 - The left side latex band broke at the pouch after 390 shots.
15 August, 2011 - 490 shots total on #107 bands. Very light scuffing at fork. No tears.
16 August, 2011 - 600 shots total on #107 bands. No tears.
17 August, 2011 - Velocity test - 178.7 fps 5.3 lb/ft energy
19 August, 2011 - Band broke at 696 shots
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My last set of 107s did real well right up until they broke at 900 shots. The current set seems to have lost much of it's tangy zip at 500. This set was about 1/4" shorter initally which is what I think made the difference. If you have to "break them in" you're also breaking them down and reducing the useful life.
My theory, anyway.
Compare my 107 video to my other videos shooting at 10 meters. You can see and hear the lack of speed from these.
I put on a set of 1842 tubes today and they're sooooo much faster. As they should be since they pull quite a bit harder.
I'm still a fan of 107s though.
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I put on a set of 1842 tubes today and they're sooooo much faster. As they should be since they pull quite a bit harder.
I'm still a fan of 107s though.
I also like the 107s a lot. But ... i think I will stick with using my normal flats simply for the speed. Oh and the regular TBG or equiv pull much lighter than 107s too.
I put on a set of 1842 tubes today and they're sooooo much faster. As they should be since they pull quite a bit harder.
I'm still a fan of 107s though.
I also like the 107s a lot. But ... i think I will stick with using my normal flats simply for the speed.
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As long as you don't mind the cutting I don't blame you. Speed is good!
last year iwas shooting pale crepe 107 bands but ishot them as double band sets want to try 5/8 by9 inch i saw nateral forks and mj vidio shooting single try as double bands with spanish tabs
Hello all, sorry to hijack this for advertising, but i need as many people as I can get to know about this. I've gotten in touch with Alliance regarding bringing a shipment of bands into the UK, the minimum order is 40 boxes
But I've asked for prices anyway and with a bit of luck they'll be fairly cheap as they're coming directly from the source. Anyone in UK or Europe who is interested please let me know as I'd like to account for about 30 boxes from other people before I could even consider this


http://slingshotforu...__fromsearch__1

I'd not be selling these for any kind of profit, just to help people in this country and nearby get their hands on some.

Cheers all.

Eddie.
Say, Eddie,

You know you can buy them a box at a time from Amazon in the UK

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alliance-Sterling-Ergonomically-Correct-Rubber/dp/B005HGDOKK/ref=sr_1_6?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1319573236&sr=1-6

Cheers ........ Charles
Say, Eddie,

You know you can buy them a box at a time from Amazon in the UK

http://www.amazon.co...19573236&sr=1-6

Cheers ........ Charles
Thanks Charles, I had seen them, but after hearing about y'all getting them at 7 bucks a box or what have you, i sort of baulked at buying them at £10 + £4 postage if I wanted them within 5 days, or about £10 in total if i was prepared to wait 3-5 weeks


Eddie
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I still have not broken my first set of 107 bands. I have thousands of shots on them now. A few things I think have contributed to the long lifespan.

1. I cut them too long for my draw. I am not pulling them as far as I can. This hurts speed but has been livable.
2. The tight zip tie pouch attachment method with folding the band in a way so the band is flat when drawing. (I will try to illustrate in pictures later tonight.)
3. My newly adopted extended fork gangster side flip shooting method. This shooting style is a side flip action with the forks pointed at the target (think DGUI style ... but gangster.) means that the pouch and bands never slam into the fork, extending life.
Glad you've found something that works for you!
I'm using 107s again today too.
Plethora of great info in this thread. Thank you!

fyi .... Staples price for Alliance Sterling Rubber Bands #107 (50 pcs) is currently $8.29 and shipping to your address is FREE.
I've used sterling 107s cut in half (ie one complete loop cut into two strips to make one complete bandset) and even untapered they put a 5/16 hex nut clean through an empty soda can from 10 meters. They're plenty zippy
That got me thinking... what about using 117B's, 7" x 1/8", doubled or even tripled up? If you used three 117B's per side, you'd get a bit more pull than cut 107's, and could even braid them between the pouch and fork, to keep things tidy. And because they are loops, you can attach new band sets easily, without any elastic strips, etc.

Hmmmm.....
Bump. Everyone should read this thread.
I took the advise of geron and placed an order with DYKEMA RUBBER BAND company...They have a 2 pound minimum order requirement @ $6 a pound for #107 with a $5 prioity shipping fee...4 day service and nice bands that are supposed to be 90% natural rubber...The plastic bags are marked a product of Thailand...best of all, no additives in the rubber to soften the action...I don`t have a chrony so I can`t make proper tests, but it seems like a sensible investment...
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For all the target plinking I do. These have become my favorite setup. They are fast enough for ANY kind of target shooting. "Faster bands only makes me miss faster"

Plus they are made in the USA ... im sold.
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There is now a dedicated forum for bands and tubes. I have moved this topic there.
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Great thread, thanks for all the information. I will be checking my local Staples today. I like the zip tie attach as well. I been a dedicated 1745 shooter until I got this quick attach set-up which is pretty much a flatband shooter.

I have several Tex shooter latex bandsets but they will wear out eventually. The 107 looks like a good set up.
Bill
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I been a dedicated 1745 shooter until I got this quick attach set-up which is pretty much a flatband shooter.
I really like the Saunders quick attach setup. It'll work with tubes too
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Just got my box from Staples. Using a 6 3/4 length and 3/8 steel my first couple of shots were not impressive, Once I closed the distance I realize they hit decent and are very accurate. Because they are a lot thicker than the Tex latex bands to attach to my SS- the Hayes Arrow Shot Ergo I just fold the band stretch and pull it into the slot and it seems to hold well and easy to install. I used small zip ties to secure the pouch. I'll experiment later with tapers but as for now it's time to shoot some more before dark.
I just finished banding a pair of bark-on naturals with 107s and my Shoot Anything pouch. As always with slingshots going to other people, I test fired them over the Chrony. I was surprised to see over 200 fps with 3/8 (9.4 mm) steel and 195 fps with 3/8 lead from both slingshots. I am assuming this is a result of my longer draw and quick release, since I got 170 fps at my ear anchor, which is very close to speeds I got in earlier tests. This is with an 8 inch fork to pouch tie relaxed length. Here's some eye candy for you bark-on nat lovers.

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