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Alliance #107 Rubber Band Tests

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One of my favorite flat bands are ordinary Alliance #107 rubber bands, available from most office supply stores in the US, though I buy mine from Amazon.com. They are cheap, require no tricky cutting and last a long time. Are they good enough for you? Good question, so I decided to do some tests to help you decide.

For comparison, I used two identical frames, my own design La Cholita in half inch plywood. One frame was banded with #107s and the other with .050 food grade latex from RubberSheetRoll.com cut the same width as the #107s. Both bandsets were fitted with Performance Catapult's (Jim Harris) pouches. I tied them on with thin strips of TB Gold in an OTT configuration and 8 inches between the pouch-tie point and the frame.

The first step was to fire 25 break-in rounds with each slingshot. I used .375 (9.4 mm) lead balls, and got a bit of hand-slap with both, indicating there is more energy available. Then I measured my draw-length at 34 inches, and using a digital fish scale measured the pull strength at 14.08 pounds for the #107s and 11.44 pounds for the latex.

Next I set up my speed test equipment, consisting of a metal chair with a wooden stick affixed to the back and a clothespin to hold a 5x8 inch index card located exactly 10 feet away from my catch box fabric. Then I placed my Acer Netbook on the chair and using Audacity, I recorded the sounds of a dozen or so shots from each slingshot hitting first the 5x8 card and then the cloth backstop 10 feet away. Then I transferred the files to my big computer and read the files to measure the elapsed time between the two strikes. I entered that information into a spreadsheet and calculated the speed in fps for each shot and finally got an average speed and energy. Here are the results.

#107
Average for 10 shots = 173.87 fps, 5.03 lbs/ft energy

.050 latex
Average for 10 shots = 183.95 fps, 5.60 lbs/ft energy

So far, no surprises. I expected the latex to be faster, but was pleasantly surprised to find the #107s to be as fast as they are.

Next, I will shoot both slingshots until the bandsets wear out or break. Past experience tells me to expect about 300 shots from the latex and more from the #107s. Every shot is recorded, so for the first time I will have an accurate count. Whichever breaks first will be replaced with a set of Tex's Field bands, and I will do the same speed, energy, and longevity tests on them, for comparison purposes. Note: Everyone already knows that Tex's bands are as good as it gets, so there really is no need for me to reinvent the wheel.

Henry

14 August, 2011 - The left side latex band broke at the pouch after 390 shots.
15 August, 2011 - 490 shots total on #107 bands. Very light scuffing at fork. No tears.
16 August, 2011 - 600 shots total on #107 bands. No tears.
17 August, 2011 - Velocity test - 178.7 fps 5.3 lb/ft energy
19 August, 2011 - Band broke at 696 shots
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sniper http://www.amazon.co...13787832&sr=8-2 amazon will do all the legwork for you 50 bands = 50 band sets 13p per set.


Alliance® Sterling Ergonomically Correct Rubber Bands, #107, 7 x 5/8, 50 Bands/1lb Box

Excellent, easy stretch to help avoid Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Perfect for repeated use and fast application.

Approximate Count: 50
Breaking Strength: 13 lbs., Based On Example Of 1/8 in-Wide Bands
Color(s): Crepe
Compliance, Standards: Meets Federal Guideline Specifications
Elasticity: 285-300 psi
Elongation: 700%
Gauge: 1/16
Global Product Type: Rubber Bands
Length [Nom]: 7 in
Material(s): 100% Rubber
Post-Consumer Recycled Content Percent [Nom]: 0 %
Pre-Consumer Recycled Content Percent [Nom]: 0 %
Quantity [Nom]: 50 per box
Size: 107
Total Recycled Content Percent [Nom]: 0 %
Width [Nom]: 5/8 in
Thank you sir so much
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What the heck are you talking about slignshot_sniper? I dont live in england. I have no clue where to get them over there? Why would we?
What so you don't have questions over there?
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what are you talking about?
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I asked questions sir that is all
What the heck are you talking about slignshot_sniper? I dont live in england. I have no clue where to get them over there? Why would we?
What so you don't have questions over there?
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what are you talking about?
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I asked questions sir that is all
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And then you went on to say we were not being helpful. I merely responded.
What the heck are you talking about slignshot_sniper? I dont live in england. I have no clue where to get them over there? Why would we?
What so you don't have questions over there?
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what are you talking about?
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I asked questions sir that is all
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And then you went on to say we were not being helpful. I merely responded.
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No worries we all miss a thing or two I leave you with this! good night and don't take it all to heart
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Lol guys in the US do like to keep things to themselves except for a certain few!! ...crikey don't let them Brits get hold of our 107 bands LMAO
I revealed where I buy mine, but I don't know where to find them in Britain. Did you try Amazon UK?
Same here Henry, I've posted everything I know about them and how I have been using them, overall length, working length, band sizes, ammo sizes and Chrony readings I guess you can't please everybody all the time.
Philly
I also posted a link to where I just picked some up.

Oh and Philly. I greatly appreciate your chrony findings!
I think maybe slingshot_sniper was having a bit of fun, and meant no offense.

Just put together a set of 107s for AJW to try on his Flat Cat. I'll try to do some speed measurements on them before I turn them over. These are doubled at the fork and looped back, giving 5 1/2 inches of single band and 3 inches of double on each side. Break-in shots on my Dankung feel faster than the 8 inch pull singles.

Henry
wait. That is kind of a cool idea. Only make one cut in the band and "taper" them by tying a loop at the fork end and having a single strand near the rear. ...
Yes, that does sound like a cool idea, but how do you manage the attachment in the middle?
I could see that being pretty cool on a ttf frame, but it would require a dedicated fork, the slot would be too wide for TBG, in a matchstick setup. You could probably do a wham-o style double slot that would work for the 107's tied back to themselves, or double TBG. Hmmmm. Might have to try that. Of course you are stretching both sides, so it might not hold in the slots at all.

All In all, I will probably continue to actually taper the bands with my rolling cutter, same as the tbg.
JSKEEN....Earlier in the thread I suggested that the extra band be folded over and rubber cemented (like a tire patch)...it should hold, and this would eliminate the need for it to be tied...also, by making the looped end into a solid piece you will be eliminating friction (rubbing between two layers of band)...some experimentation is needed.
I just came back from Staples. They didn't have them in the store, but the sales rep went to his computer and ordered them shipped to the store (no charge). I paid for them -- $5.20. If I get a bandset out of each band, that's 50 bandsets for 10.4 cents apiece. And I thought tubes were cheap.
Great write up on these bands unfortunately no one around here stocks #107's so gonna have to order some. I currently mainly use #64 chains just because I love the fact I can pick them up easy and are cheap. I don't hunt just shoot cans in the backyard and they are great for that.
Yes, that does sound like a cool idea, but how do you manage the attachment in the middle?
I could see that being pretty cool on a ttf frame, but it would require a dedicated fork, the slot would be too wide for TBG, in a matchstick setup. You could probably do a wham-o style double slot that would work for the 107's tied back to themselves, or double TBG. Hmmmm. Might have to try that. Of course you are stretching both sides, so it might not hold in the slots at all.

All In all, I will probably continue to actually taper the bands with my rolling cutter, same as the tbg.
I'll post pictures tomorrow when I assemble another set for me. I feed the loop through a short piece of tube, then tie over the tube. I haven't tried it, but I bet industrial strength contact glue would work.
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I think maybe slingshot_sniper was having a bit of fun, and meant no offense.

Henry
Correct sir it was just that,I was trying to say all the good stuff comes from the US and in the whole like 0.030" latex its so hard for us guys over here to get.


BTW yes I did find them on amozon thanks guys


My apologies NF
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SS, sometime we all can be a little too sensitive, no offence taken or intended.
Philly
SS, sometime we all can be a little too sensitive, no offence taken or intended.
Philly
Philly I'm fast learning to become less so,cheers

[edit] Anyway I have thought while I wait to purchase the 107's I cut some 0.030" latex same size to see what this would be like thus far I'm liking it for target shooting which is what I do
No hard feelings slingshot_sniper!
Thanks NF! Just ordered. One of the local neighbor boys came by and asked if I could repair his sling. His dog chewed it up. I think his bands were crepe 107. They seemed tough. Thanks Henry for all your info.
Unfortunately, yesterday I got tied up with some of the more mundane aspects of living in Paradise (buying a new stove, groceries, running errands) and did not get around to taking pictures and speed testing AJW's new band set. When I got up this morning, I decided to build my own set, taking pictures all the way and put up a tutorial on my website. When I finish the webpage and get it uploaded, I'll put up a link. For now, I just couldn't wait to tell you guys how it worked out.

The bandset is 9 inches long, pouch-tie to loop, and the single section is almost exactly half that, or 4.5 inches for each portion. The pull weight at 34 inches is 6.8 kg/14.95 pounds, only one pound more than the single 8 inch 107s. The pouch is one of Jim Harris' superb die-cuts.

After a few break-in shots, I set up my makeshift chronometer and fired off 10 rounds. Frankly, I was flabbergasted! Shooting .375 cal (9.4 mm) lead balls, this roughly $1.00 bandset ran a 10 round average of 222.7 fps (67.88 ms), and was extremely consistent. The slowest was 214.7 fps and the fastest was 228.9.

I sincerely hope someone else who has a real chronograph will build a set of these bands and see if my measurements are accurate. It just seems a little bit too good to be true.

In the meantime, here's a shot of the bandset mounted on my Dankung Jungle Hunter II. The Dankung is far from ideal for this type of band, and keeping them dressed is an irritant, so in the next day or so, I'll have them mounted on a frame more suitable for them.

Henry

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