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So how's it goin' in your neck of the woods ..?

In the UK the Government has made the wearing of face coverings in shops and other enclosed places mandatory from the 24th.

Face covering has a broad definition; face masks, bandanas, yer wife's panties. Whatever you like really, provided it's covering your face. This is going to be enforced by the plod with non-compliance meaning on the spot fines of £60.

Already the country is dividing into two camps - those who think this is great news and those who think it's utter nonsense. I tend to agree with the latter group more (for reasons, lack of evidence, virus is 80-120 nm making cloth masks useless etc).

Either way it's going to an interesting social experiment into public behaviour. How many will comply, how many will refuse? The police are objecting saying they have better things to do than enforce this, like fighting crime.

I've bought a crap Chinese bandana for the 24th because I wasn't keen on strapping what looks like a sanitary towel across my face.

Let's see how this kicks off. :ph34r:
 

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So how's it goin' in your neck of the woods ..?

In the UK the Government has made the wearing of face coverings in shops and other enclosed places mandatory from the 24th.

Face covering has a broad definition; face masks, bandanas, yer wife's panties. Whatever you like really, provided it's covering your face. This is going to be enforced by the plod with non-compliance meaning on the spot fines of £60.

Already the country is dividing into two camps - those who think this is great news and those who think it's utter nonsense. I tend to agree with the latter group more (for reasons, lack of evidence, virus is 80-120 nm making cloth masks useless etc).

Either way it's going to an interesting social experiment into public behaviour. How many will comply, how many will refuse? The police are objecting saying they have better things to do than enforce this, like fighting crime.

I've bought a crap Chinese bandana for the 24th because I wasn't keen on strapping what looks like a sanitary towel across my face.

Let's see how this kicks off. :ph34r:
Got to agree with you. This whole thing is starting to do my head in.

It really is starting to look like a fascist experiment to see just how far they can push / get away with before the final clamp down.

A couple of years ago we came back to the uk from NZ because we could go anywhere in Europe. Then Brexit?

I lost. I was very quickly over it. Just get on with it so I know what I'm dealing with.
That wasn't happening quickly.

We were planning a buying a motor home and just setting off anyway on the basis that we would make whatever work.

Now this

Was jst thinking maybe we should buy a boat and just sail off over the horizon to somewhere with a minimal Population like Patagonia and the rest of the world can just go and get ******
It's the first time I've genuinely felt like I'm living in some sort of dictatorship - which saddens as much as it angers me. The UK has always worked on the principle of consent; which until recently was to encourage the wearing of face masks. I was perfectly ok with this.

Now we are being told we must under threat of punishment. You're right, where does it end?

I'm hoping for plenty of wilful dissent over the wearing of face coverings. I expect there will be when it becomes apparent the police do actually have better things to do.

Not quite ready to leave the country yet, but yes, the UK should be and is better than this. Boat to Patagonia does sound like a plan though!
 

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There's a whiff of manure about it, for sure.

The problem we have is high street shops remain largely empty of customers post-lockdown. Which is bad for our economy.

So how to make customers feel safe to go shopping outside again? Make everyone wear face coverings is the answer the Gov't has come up with.

Doesn't matter cloth face coverings won't stop aerosol transmission. Ignore that bit. Just subjugate the masses and get them bloody spending again!
 

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Latest research from the Office for National Statistics in England say:

Our latest estimates indicate that from 22 June to 5 July 2020, an average of 14,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19). This equates to 0.03% of the population in England or around 1 in 3,900 individuals.

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During the 14-day period from 22 June to 5 July 2020, there were an estimated two new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 individuals per week in the community population in England.

I'm not a fan of dry statistics, but clearly the chances of contracting the virus in England are now low. Around 1 in 5000 if my interpretation is correct.

I think my toaster is probably more of a risk. :what:
 

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clearly the chances of contracting the virus in England are now low.
Perhaps. But it is still lurking about.... can't take any chances.

It'll be a shame to be done in by some idiot who never took precautions and basically gave themselves the virus.

I refuse to be killed by an idiot.
There's no perhaps about it, the epidemic in the UK is well past its peak and the chances of contracting the virus are low.

The precautions we are being told to take - to wear face coverings - are to give confidence to people still too scared to go outside. And in any case do nothing to protect against aerosol transmission of the virus.

Fortuantely I can still make a pragmatic and rational decision on the level of risk involved. Nothing idiotic abut this. :screwy:
 

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I'm not calling you an idiot... I'm just saying the chance may be lower than before but it's not zero.

My chance of catching it is lower than yours. But I still take precautions and am keeping away from idiots.

What is my definition of an idiot? Someone who runs a business and does not care about Standard Operating Procedures for their workers and partners.

I delivered a shipment to a partner a few days back and he invited me to come inside out of the sun, into his air-conditioned office and have a cup of tea.

1. I don't know whose bum that cup of tea came out of. Thanks but I'll do without.

2. It's safer to enjoy the sun than breathe recirculated air. There was no spike in US after all those protests because they happened out on the street... not in some air-conditioned office.

3. An no, I did not shake his hand. He took offense. Boo hoo.

4. He already got a guy in his family killed by the virus. So I know his practices aren't right for the times.

From what I've seen, people who are religious and want to pray in a mosque even though praying at home is just as fine, get it. Those are idiots.

Cops are also idiots. I don't know what they are doing to each other but they seem to be getting it right left and center. They must be doing something besides the usual standing around with their thumbs up their rears. I just can't figure out WHAT.

The people who don't deserve to get it are the medical workers. So I have not visited my dentist for my yearly teeth cleaning.

Need to keep eyes open. Risk may be lower but you can still get sucker-punched.

And in any case do nothing to protect against aerosol transmission of the virus.
Have to disagree with you there. Masks work in slowing down the spread. They worked in China. They work in Pakistan. If your masks don't work, you got defective masks.

Yes, the virus can still get you even if you are wearing a mask... you can also impregnate a woman while wearing a condom... accidents happen.

Yes, it is also to make people feel better. But it is not totally useless.

Oh and I haven't ordered food since this thing started. And won't until we get our first vaccine (yes, it's on the way). I won't even order pizza.. well I make excellent pizzas myself... won't even order a cheese-burger until 2021 is well under way.

When they had bird-flu I stopped having chicken corn soup for more than a year. Had to make my own.
None of which is idiotic either. There is still risk and it wouldn't be sensible to behave as if there were none. Social distancing, frequent hand washing, self-isolation if you present with symptoms, these are things everyone should still be doing. Of course that is sensible.

However your personal sliding scale of risk aversion may (does) differ from mine. Which isn't unusual.

Face masks don't prevent aerosol transmission of covid-19, there is nothing to disagree with here without being wrong! :p

The possibility of aerosol transmission (virus particles suspended in the air) is the reason some choose to wear a mask. Does nothing. Look at the suits virologists wear.

For droplet transmission, the science is incomplete, but it is worth noting the outcomes in other countries. What I've noticed is when someone coughs it's like tossing a frag grenade, tends to clear a space very quickly.

I've got a cheap-*** bandana. If it helps to make other people feel safer, I'll wear it. I'm just not under any illusions about the level of protection it really affords.
 

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I'm just not under any illusions about the level of protection it really affords.
Masks are not for you. They are for the ones with the virus but don't know it yet.
Asymptomatic people, no coughing, no droplet transmission.

If you are so close to someone they are spitting on you as they talk, probably stand a bit further back.

They will be breathing. So aerosol transmission, maybe. But masks don't work for this.
 

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More Jason Statham than Clooney. We share the same haircut and.. erm.. not much else.

Goin' to have to agree to disagree, Sean. Because I've got food to cook. Important stuff.

Looks like the makers of face masks are covering their backsides in case they get sued. Hmmm..
 

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We've seen local spikes in some northern towns and cities; Leicester, Blackburn, Burnley.

The common theme is these towns and cities have a high percentage of families from an Asian background who, compared to the national average, tend to live in larger extended family groups under one roof. Which would facilitate the spread of the virus.

It's the elephant in the room few are prepared to discuss for fear of being shouted down as racist. Unfortunately.

On selfishness: I've seen very little of this, the stripping of supermarket shelves being the worst of it.

Altruism, kindness, and bravery, I've seen plenty of however. The irony isn't lost on me the thing which has kept us apart - the virus- has in many ways brought us closer together.
 

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I'll pretend you meant Indians. Or some other gawd forsaken Asian... Bengali, Sri Lankan, etc...

Precisely the reason why it is the elephant in the room. Because as soon as something is pointed at which relates to race - in this case how families live - someone is bound to get upset (not you), or worse shout racist!

But yeah, I take your point. Asian is a term for a large number of ethnic groups and was too non-specific for the point being made.

Some of the lockdown measures in Leicester are now being eased. The lockdown also shone a light on Leicester's dirty secret of sweat shops paying less than minimum wage to employees. Slave labour was also mentioned.
 

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Asian is a term for a large number of ethnic groups and was too non-specific for the point being made.

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Now you see if that comedy sketch was shown on British TV there'd be an absolute meltdown from the left. They'd be demanding people be fired, made to attend race education courses etc

This comedy sketch is from Little Britain (2003-2007).

David Walliams and Matt Lucas (the writers and performers) were pressured into making an apology last month. I found that ridiculous. It's comedy!

 

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Almost back on topic ..

The Queen with sword got pissed 'cos some bloody pensioner was walking on her lawn, about to charge the old geezer ..

Nope, she knighted him.

100 year-old Captain Tom Moore decided to do his bit during the pandemic by walking with frame sponsored laps of his garden. Each lap was 25m (82ft). It went viral. He walked 100 laps and raised £32 million ($40 million) for the National Health Service.

Much more than this Captain Moore raised the spirits of the nation and inspired others to think of ways to play their part - including me.

Now he's Captain Sir Tom Moore.

..doffing my cap in his direction.
 

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Yup... I agree you can't hide death rates but you can misreport cause of death. If someone has not been tested positive, they don't get reported as a Covid-19 death. Also, not everyone dies from it.
The breaking news tonight here is the complete opposite.

Person A tests positive for covid-19.

Person A recovers from covid-19.

Person A is killed by car accident / falling space debris / clowns

Person A is recorded as a covid-19 death.

You couldn't make this up if you tried! Jeez :slap:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53443724
 

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Great observation, reporting and conclusions, Tag. I enjoyed reading it. Mayo-gate?

@spewing. What you write is an intelligent musing on national self-identity but maybe also over-thinking a little. Perhaps there are answers to your questions.

I'm British, then English, then European, I think. :what:
 

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We're a few days into the mandatory wearing of face coverings inside enclosed spaces, like supermarkets and shopping malls.

In supermarkets there are recorded announcements reminding shoppers to follow Government guidelines and wear face coverings; there are also announcements saying (to paraphrase) 'if you see someone without a face covering, don't be a dickhead, because they may have medical reasons'.

I'm wearing a tie-dye bandana 'cos I'm edgy like that :p And the cheapo face masks look like sanitary towels. No thanks.

I remain sceptical over the usefulness of face masks against the virus, but it's not a difficult thing to do. So I do. What I have observed is so many people fiddling with their face masks around their mouths and nose which fully negates any possible benefits. :slap:

Also in the UK, a pet cat has tested positive for coronavirus.

Caught form a human? Another cat? Cats in masks now? Meeow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53552557
 

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The world could do with a thinning out of population because there are too many of us, and the fairest way to do it would be oldest first and youngest last.

Oddly that's just how covid operates.

And no I don't entertain any idiotic ideas about the pandemic being planned, a conspiracy to reduce world population before all the food and resources run out.

But the uncomfortable truth is more dead people is a good thing for the living.

(with all respect and apologies to anyone who has been affected by the virus)
 

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The new most-important metric for European countries is covid-19 cases per 100,000 of population.

This is the figure UK Gov't has been using to determine if travel to other European countries is advisable or requires quarantine of two weeks on return to the UK.

France is the latest to be added to list of bad places to be by the UK Gov't. Holidaying Brits in France tried to flee home before a 4am cut-off this morning, some even hiring private light airplanes to get back to blighty.

The figure for the UK is 19.8 cases per 100,000. Germany is 15.9, France is 36.2, Spain 115.7.
 

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Large scale vaccinations about to start. There is enough available to vaccinate one-fifth of Pakistan's population.

Researchers have said that Sinopharm's coronavirus vaccine candidate appeared to be safe and triggered antibody-based immune responses in early and mid-stage trials.
That's a Chinese vaccine dude. I'm no anti-vaxxer but made in china .. think they may want you to see if it actually works?

The worldwide race for a proven vaccine is a hot one because it's going to be a huge money maker. Bigger than the wheel.
 

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That's a Chinese vaccine dude.
Yes sir. Indeed it is.

but made in china ..
In my experience, "Made in China" has always been an excellent choice.

And no, please don't point to some dumb product on Amazon.... I am talking of the good stuff.
It's not the quality of the science but the nature of the Government which would give me reason for concern. I've read the reports for the phase 2 trial of the Chinese vaccine and they sound very promising. Applauded soundly.

But I'd be less sure of shooting up a vaccine from a country currently engaged in brazen genocide. Xi Jinping is going to have his fingers in it. :what:
 
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