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My son is active duty Air Force and is doing a 6 month Guam rotation. I just talked to him and he took his marksman folding wrist brace slingshot with him but wants me to send him one of my small homemades to carry in his pocket. I have googled it and can't really find anything, does anyone know the laws in Guam? I would hate for him to get in trouble for something I sent him. Chris
 

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i have not heard a peep about guam and their laws? perhaps a google search? this article is about an attack on guam:

A 23-year-old man is behind bars for allegedly striking another with a metal object using a slingshot.
Kesiel Isek, 23, has been charged with aggravated assault as a third degree felony with a special allegation of possession and use of a deadly weapon during the commission of a felony.
Court documents state that on or about Aug. 18 at around 10:22 a.m., police responded to a reported "assault" complaint near the Polymedic Pharmacy and Martinez Kitchenette. The victim informed the investigating officer that he was taking a smoke break when Isek got angry with the victim, took a slingshot from a backpack and aimed it at the victim.
The victim was then struck with a metal object to his left hand. Isek, according to court documents, told the victim he could kill him if the victim called the police. The officer noted bruising on the left palm of the victim.
Isek was located later and the officer found three rebar pieces measuring a half-inch long in Isek's left pocket. The officer found the slingshot nearby.
Isek will appear in court again for a preliminary hearing in about 10 days.
 

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He is serving our country and wants a simple homemade sling shot, PM me the address, I'll send him one.
 

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Yes, he's serving his country. And as such he's subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That's part of the price we pay for the privilege to serve. He's held to a higher standard than those he protects.Sorry but, it is what it is. Your son learned that the first week of basic training.

As long as he's on the Air Force base you do not have to be concerned with the local laws. He should check with the local "Security Forces" regarding base regulations. Or, talk to his First Sergeant. You're right to be concerned. If the base regulations prohibit the posession of a sling shot and he were caught with it he'd be subject to punishment under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice - "Failure to Obey a Lawful Order or General Regulation. If he lives in the barracks he could have a "weapon" but it would have to be kept at the Security Forces armory and checked out/in when he wanted to use it. If his First Sergeant were to find it during a barracks inspection he'd probably just confiscate it. But if he was a hard guy...

Long ago in a land far, far away... I would just confiscate the "weapon" and give them the choice of either leaving it with me for the duration of their tour or shipping it back home. I know that it sounds harsh but it's all about maintaining good order and discipline.

I wish I could tell you something else but I wouldn't be doing you any favors.
 

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Yes, he's serving his country. And as such he's subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That's part of the price we pay for the privilege to serve. He's held to a higher standard than those he protects.Sorry but, it is what it is. Your son learned that the first week of basic training.

As long as he's on the Air Force base you do not have to be concerned with the local laws. He should check with the local "Security Forces" regarding base regulations. Or, talk to his First Sergeant. You're right to be concerned. If the base regulations prohibit the posession of a sling shot and he were caught with it he'd be subject to punishment under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice - "Failure to Obey a Lawful Order or General Regulation. If he lives in the barracks he could have a "weapon" but it would have to be kept at the Security Forces armory and checked out/in when he wanted to use it. If his First Sergeant were to find it during a barracks inspection he'd probably just confiscate it. But if he was a hard guy...

Long ago in a land far, far away... I would just confiscate the "weapon" and give them the choice of either leaving it with me for the duration of their tour or shipping it back home. I know that it sounds harsh but it's all about maintaining good order and discipline.

I wish I could tell you something else but I wouldn't be doing you any favors.
well said sharkie, i knew this being in the army many years ago. unless a person has served they do not know these things, also "deserving it" does not bypass the local laws, and in the fine young soldiers case the UCMJ.
 

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My son is active duty Air Force and is doing a 6 month Guam rotation. I just talked to him and he took his marksman folding wrist brace slingshot with him but wants me to send him one of my small homemades to carry in his pocket. I have googled it and can't really find anything, does anyone know the laws in Guam? I would hate for him to get in trouble for something I sent him. Chris
they use them in ganistan but Guam and ganistan are very different duties
 

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My son is active duty Air Force and is doing a 6 month Guam rotation. I just talked to him and he took his marksman folding wrist brace slingshot with him but wants me to send him one of my small homemades to carry in his pocket. I have googled it and can't really find anything, does anyone know the laws in Guam? I would hate for him to get in trouble for something I sent him. Chris
funny this post keeps echoing in my mind, you sound just like me, while deployed i have to be careful of what i send my son, the military obeys local customs and religions, so many things we take for granted they cant because no matter where they go they are guests. and subject to local custom.
 

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I am retired Army and as such am very aware of UCMJ, my son is a big boy but the very last thing I want to do is get him in trouble. On all my deployments to southwest Asia I always had a slingshot I will tell yall you have not rat hunted till you have baited them with MREs and shot them in total darkness wearing NVGs. LOL Chris
 

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I am retired Army and as such am very aware of UCMJ, my son is a big boy but the very last thing I want to do is get him in trouble. On all my deployments to southwest Asia I always had a slingshot I will tell yall you have not rat hunted till you have baited them with MREs and shot them in total darkness wearing NVGs. LOL Chris
that sounds great! best use for MRE'S I have heard yet, man it would be fun using NVG's to go after anything.
 

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I am retired Army and as such am very aware of UCMJ, my son is a big boy but the very last thing I want to do is get him in trouble. On all my deployments to southwest Asia I always had a slingshot I will tell yall you have not rat hunted till you have baited them with MREs and shot them in total darkness wearing NVGs. LOL Chris
Wow, now I have another bucket list activity lol!
 

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I am retired Army and as such am very aware of UCMJ, my son is a big boy but the very last thing I want to do is get him in trouble. On all my deployments to southwest Asia I always had a slingshot I will tell yall you have not rat hunted till you have baited them with MREs and shot them in total darkness wearing NVGs. LOL Chris
My time ended in '97. By then it seemed like anything "fun" that wasn't against the UCMJ was covered by "General Order #1". E.g. No alcohol, no gambling, no pornograpic materials, no gaining carnal knowlege of indigenous personnel,.....

Time was that if you had a troop who was carrying a "belly gun" nobody cared. During Iraqi Freedom they prosecuted troops for "unathorized weapons". I'm not totally sure what an "unauthorized weapon" would be in an active combat zone.
 

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Ah yes general order #1, the no fun order. I always thought that it should have been Special order #1, General order #1 was "I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved."

OIF/OEF was a little crazy, well in places a lot crazy. I acquired, by trading not by killing, a really nice Iraqi light machine gun that the S3 wanted to take home to put in the Battalion trophy case. You would not believe the mother may Is and red tape that we would have had to go through, dang near impossible. When our vehicles arrived back after the first deployment, 10Dec02 - 15Dec03, CID impounded them and basically took them apart looking for contraband and of course they found a lot, luckily they didn't charge the people asigned to those vehicles, because anyone could have put the contraband on them, but they sure took a lot of cool stuff that some people would have liked to have kept.

Try hunting these guys with a slingshot,they were ungodly tough.


 

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Yup, Saudis catch those lizards with their hands and eat them roasted over a fire. According to them, this is fine eating but pork is meat from a filthy animal.

We certainly have our own irony. The UCMJ gives us countless examples of this.

"We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write **** on their airplanes because it's obscene." Marlon Brando as Colonel Kurtz "Apocalypse now."
 
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