I tried short draw for the longest time and I just couldn't get it to feel comfortable, I don't know why. As soon as I went to the longer draw things started to fall into place for me. At the time, I didn't care about style or speed, I just wanted something that felt right and I could consistently do over and over.
Half Butterfly
Just trying half BF the last few days. I measured last nite and my short draw is 30, and now my half bf is 40! dang. The floating anchor will take a bit to get the accuracy the same as short draw, but man its sure not as hard on the body. Still a bit confused on exactly how I should cut bands, I made a set 3/8 from .55 , still really not getting the stored energy deal too. but in time. I know shooting at the ditch at work yesterdays at lunch , I was trying for longer shots than I would usually w/ short draw and hitting more. When I had my float right. Dont know why Im telling you except you fellow SS guys are the only ones who understands why this all means anything to me lol
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It seems like a good way. I dont think Id be any good at full butterfly though. It goes into the pain range of my shoulders . but in a different way than short draw. I should have a giant left bicep from short draw, lol but I dont. just dont grow much except around the belly lolI tried short draw for the longest time and I just couldn't get it to feel comfortable, I don't know why. As soon as I went to the longer draw things started to fall into place for me. At the time, I didn't care about style or speed, I just wanted something that felt right and I could consistently do over and ove Do
i do the half BF instead of full for the same reasons,rotaters and age,lol
I just recently started to shoot half or 3/4 butterfly. I don't know exactly what fraction of butterfly it is but I'm holding the pouch out behind my ear around the 40-42 inch mark. My original anchor was a thumb knuckle in the notch under my ear just behind my jaw. The pouch release would make my ear ring like a gunshot, my jaw and ear hurt from having a thumb knuckle jammed into it, and the anchor wasn't consistent from frame to frame. I would have to adjust my anchor point from frame to frame to get hits.
A couple of weeks ago, I rigged up an old wrist rocket with some big thick flat bands and found that my anchored short draw wasn't enough to stretch the bands out. The shot just dropped in flight and hit without any power. I tried floating anchor "butterfly" shooting for the first time. I drew back and tilted my head over the bands just touching my cheek. I sighted down the bands and I was shooting marbles and 1/2 shot with power and unexpected accuracy. Like really pretty good and consistent accuracy. I tried it with other frames and found that the technique was transferrable to the other frames. Now I'm shooting more accurately than ever before and at greater range. I think I'm out to 50 feet now.
A couple of weeks ago, I rigged up an old wrist rocket with some big thick flat bands and found that my anchored short draw wasn't enough to stretch the bands out. The shot just dropped in flight and hit without any power. I tried floating anchor "butterfly" shooting for the first time. I drew back and tilted my head over the bands just touching my cheek. I sighted down the bands and I was shooting marbles and 1/2 shot with power and unexpected accuracy. Like really pretty good and consistent accuracy. I tried it with other frames and found that the technique was transferrable to the other frames. Now I'm shooting more accurately than ever before and at greater range. I think I'm out to 50 feet now.
just noticed, your only about a hour away, hey neighbori do the half BF instead of full for the same reasons,rotaters and age,lol
I float behind my ear with both eyes open unles I need to bear down on something very small. 7 or 8 out of 10 shots are instinctiveJust trying half BF the last few days. I measured last nite and my short draw is 30, and now my half bf is 40! dang. The floating anchor will take a bit to get the accuracy the same as short draw, but man its sure not as hard on the body. Still a bit confused on exactly how I should cut bands, I made a set 3/8 from .55 , still really not getting the stored energy deal too. but in time. I know shooting at the ditch at work yesterdays at lunch , I was trying for longer shots than I would usually w/ short draw and hitting more. When I had my float right. Dont know why Im telling you except you fellow SS guys are the only ones who understands why this all means anything to me lol
just noticed, your only about a hour away, hey neighbori do the half BF instead of full for the same reasons,rotaters and age,lol
yessir,out here in the *wilds of Splendora,about an hour away from *banjo music*lol
Same here HK never cared for short draw just never clicked for me I shoot everything 3/4 or full BF.I tried short draw for the longest time and I just couldn't get it to feel comfortable, I don't know why. As soon as I went to the longer draw things started to fall into place for me. At the time, I didn't care about style or speed, I just wanted something that felt right and I could consistently do over and over.
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Heck @SteveJ!
We appreciate getting a shooter's update every once in a while.
As far as cutting new bands is concerned, I'd try to work from the baseline you used with the face anchor.
Keep the stretch factor - 1/4 or 1/5 or whatever part of your draw length that was working before. Just change to that fraction of 40 instead of 30.
And since you added 1/3 to the length, I'd suggest you can take 1/3 off the band width. So a 3/4" band can go down to 2/4 (1/2" LOL). And that works at both ends whether tapered or straight cut. My weight scale gives the same reading when I stretch a particular width of latex 4 times it's relaxed length (or 5 times) regardless of it's length. So 5 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 25 inches reads the same as 10 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 50 inches. But there is twice the latex and twice the energy in the 10-inch piece!
I suspect that most of us shooting longer draws don't really "float" but anchor the band on a cheekbone like @meltonactual described. The tiniest bit of pouch tweak will keep the pouch from slapping your face or pulling your whiskers as it whizzes by.
My only word of caution on the longer draws is to NEVER adjust your grip when that ammo is behind your head somewhere! I paid in blood to learn that lesson!
Best of luck, buddy!
We appreciate getting a shooter's update every once in a while.
As far as cutting new bands is concerned, I'd try to work from the baseline you used with the face anchor.
Keep the stretch factor - 1/4 or 1/5 or whatever part of your draw length that was working before. Just change to that fraction of 40 instead of 30.
And since you added 1/3 to the length, I'd suggest you can take 1/3 off the band width. So a 3/4" band can go down to 2/4 (1/2" LOL). And that works at both ends whether tapered or straight cut. My weight scale gives the same reading when I stretch a particular width of latex 4 times it's relaxed length (or 5 times) regardless of it's length. So 5 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 25 inches reads the same as 10 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 50 inches. But there is twice the latex and twice the energy in the 10-inch piece!
I suspect that most of us shooting longer draws don't really "float" but anchor the band on a cheekbone like @meltonactual described. The tiniest bit of pouch tweak will keep the pouch from slapping your face or pulling your whiskers as it whizzes by.
My only word of caution on the longer draws is to NEVER adjust your grip when that ammo is behind your head somewhere! I paid in blood to learn that lesson!
Best of luck, buddy!
I found it's much easier to draw out all the way so that your arm is straight behind you holding the pouch with your thumb on top. That way your wrist is not bent. It's much more comfortable/easier on the wrist and since you can then fully extend your arm, much more repeatable.
this is great info!!! exactly what I needed, I will these specs today if I can, not much daylight this time of year and too many thing to do on the weekend, Cant wait for retirement lol hope I make itHeck @SteveJ!
We appreciate getting a shooter's update every once in a while.
As far as cutting new bands is concerned, I'd try to work from the baseline you used with the face anchor.
Keep the stretch factor - 1/4 or 1/5 or whatever part of your draw length that was working before. Just change to that fraction of 40 instead of 30.
And since you added 1/3 to the length, I'd suggest you can take 1/3 off the band width. So a 3/4" band can go down to 2/4 (1/2" LOL). And that works at both ends whether tapered or straight cut. My weight scale gives the same reading when I stretch a particular width of latex 4 times it's relaxed length (or 5 times) regardless of it's length. So 5 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 25 inches reads the same as 10 inches of 1/2-inch cut pulled to 50 inches. But there is twice the latex and twice the energy in the 10-inch piece!
I suspect that most of us shooting longer draws don't really "float" but anchor the band on a cheekbone like @meltonactual described. The tiniest bit of pouch tweak will keep the pouch from slapping your face or pulling your whiskers as it whizzes by.
My only word of caution on the longer draws is to NEVER adjust your grip when that ammo is behind your head somewhere! I paid in blood to learn that lesson!
Best of luck, buddy!
congrats mr. steve. glad for your progress. keep up the good work.
thanks for info mr. kawkan.
I really want to try this...the temptation of speed and power is too muchI found it's much easier to draw out all the way so that your arm is straight behind you holding the pouch with your thumb on top. That way your wrist is not bent. It's much more comfortable/easier on the wrist and since you can then fully extend your arm, much more repeatable.
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I'm not sure many people use this grip. Probably because it's so different then what people are used to when they have started out learning short draw. I have seen zachary fowler use it, but only once. I find it is easier on the wrist and allows you to fully extend. Getting the longest draw possible, and if your going to use a floating anchor point, might as well go all the way back and get full power. I have found no real benefit in half butterfly.
I do it every day, as I enjoy it. Benefit? Every little thing that brings me pleasure is joyously beneficial.I'm not sure many people use this grip. Probably because it's so different then what people are used to when they have started out learning short draw. I have seen zachary fowler use it, but only once. I find it is easier on the wrist and allows you to fully extend. Getting the longest draw possible, and if your going to use a floating anchor point, might as well go all the way back and get full power. I have found no real benefit in half butterfly.
HERE HERE!I do it every day, as I enjoy it. Benefit? Every little thing that brings me pleasure is joyously beneficial.I'm not sure many people use this grip. Probably because it's so different then what people are used to when they have started out learning short draw. I have seen zachary fowler use it, but only once. I find it is easier on the wrist and allows you to fully extend. Getting the longest draw possible, and if your going to use a floating anchor point, might as well go all the way back and get full power. I have found no real benefit in half butterfly.
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Yeah obviously there is benefit to enjoying a sport, however you choose to do it, no arguing that point. What I meant was there was no practical benefit in terms of speed, aim or ease of use to going halfway back as apposed to going all the way back.
I agree...Yeah obviously there is benefit to enjoying a sport, however you choose to do it, no arguing that point. What I meant was there was no practical benefit in terms of speed, aim or ease of use to going halfway back as apposed to going all the way back.
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