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Hello,

we made some testings last weekend from bandsets that I use for several month for long range shooting.
They are very easy to draw and cause very high speeds.

Here is the shooting video:


The bands last between 100 - 300 shots. Depends on the Quality of the latex, the used ammo-size, sharpness of the rollcutter - blade, pouch attachement and - no joke!! - temperature during shooting.

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You are completely right, Rayshot!

All your 3 points together are causing the speeds!

- Butterfly for the high drawlength
- 30 cm bandlength (minus attachement)
- black thera

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I have forgotten one important fact: tapering ratio of the bands was 2:1.
 

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Nice video and the extreme butterfly style looks so effortless when you guys use it. I have tried to shoot with that style myself but even with very low draw weight I can't do it (I cannot get the rubber that far behind my head) Need to practice!
 

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Thanks a lot for your vids Torstern and gekoR!

This evening, i made a new band set to give butterfly style another try.

And with your video, plus the comment of melchior in another post, i get the point: i have to touch my cheek with the bands to have a constant reference and guess what, accuracy was there


The first few shots, i was a little to the left, but my brain compensate easily ( i am an instinctive shooter)

My set up is 30cm length, 4cm to the fork and 2cm at the pouch with gold theraband. I was shooting 5/8 marbles and 7mm steel shots, and really, the speed was amazing


It is a real revolution for me!
 

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Exact!
My draw length is 160 cm.

But one important thing:
The release of the pouch is behind your head.
Once it happend to me that a 17 mm steelball slipped out of the pouch and went strongly left from the normal flight path. I hold the sling with my right hand and the pouch with the left. What would happened, if the ball went to the right side? Maybe hit my head!

This style has it`s disadvantages and i would not recommend anyone to shoot butterfly!
Take care of your health!

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Torsten,
I've said this before,you are an awesome distance shooter Bud! You Geko and Hippel have done a real good job with that Butterfly. You all shoot very smoothly too. Shooting well at distance means you have a very sound release. Torsten,you acually impressed me so much that i now moved my target back to around 40-50 feet-and made the bull smaller too. I figured it would help me when I moved up to standard 10 meter distance-it did. Flatband
 

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I have made a bandset for butterfly style shooting today. It is fun to shoot it I shot about 15 shots and hit the can 3 times and almost sliced it completly throught with only 3 shots so the power is defeniatelly there. I used a rubber half the tickness of thera gold 30cm long 4cm-2.5 cm. Then that was about it as my wrist hurts (from an old accident).
140 cm is my full draw but it was still hard to draw it anyway. I could not draw thera gold 4-2cm like that for sure..
 

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i now moved my target back to around 40-50 feet-and made the bull smaller too. I figured it would help me when I moved up to standard 10 meter distance-it did. Flatband

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I, started shooting over 10, after a while I moved it further, performed miserably, moved it back to 10, got a lot more practice in, moved it further, I was much better ... almost the opposite, funny that isn't it?
 

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have made many experiments with butterfly style. my drawlenght is 160 cm i´ve made the bands 34cm long for training. thera band gold is 1cm tapert to 0,5cm. it shoot 8 to 12mm steelballs good enough 4 target shooting. the natural with the back thera band is 4cm tapert to 2 cm 30 cm long, this is a killer band! it dealt with .45 lead as if it is nothing! i´ve changed complete my shooting style, i hold the fork sideways and suport the small prongs with my fingers. since i do this i´ve no more fork hits! i cant understand that.
 

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Could you explain a bit about how to learn to shoot this way without hitting the back of my head ? From what I have seen and read this is very much worthy of exploration. I have tried on my own but I always end up with scratches on my cheek from the pouch or something.
Hey Baumstamm, how about some pictures of your latest slingshots or even a video of them and how you shoot ?
 

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Could you explain a bit about how to learn to shoot this way...
From what I have seen and read this is very much worthy of exploration.
Hey Baumstamm, how about some pictures of your latest slingshots or even a video of them and how you shoot ?
yes please?
 

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i´ve had a the hard way to learn it, but maybe i can give u a few tricks. first of all is use realy realy weak bands to learn it! if i write weak, i mean weak and make them long! weak means when used therra gold: 1cm tapert to 0,5cm! long means: u can stretch theraband abt 5,5 to 6 times use a ratio less then 5. use light amo: use 7 ore 8 mm steel to learn, it is important to loose the fear when the bullet flys with 1 ore 200 miles per houer 2 cm away from your head. when the pouche hit your cheek, and i hope u mean this one in your face, use a lighter pouche. the lightest lether u can get is best, u have no pull force. the most important point is training, the first 10000 shot are hard to hit the target, then u´ll get more and more comfortable with this style. i do more then 1000 shot per day and i´m not able to do it in a fluid motion like smitty said in one of his videos. but i can feel, if i´m doing it correckt my groops are tighter, but i´ve to much flyers. it is always a problem with my mind, if i think about technick, i fail! so controlling your mind is with this technik more important. to learn the correct technik it can be usefull to shoot without a target ore aime.
i´ve made a video, but i´m a long way from a fluid motion, but the way torsten shoot over the chrony is just perfect!
 

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i´ve had a the hard way to learn it, but maybe i can give u a few tricks. first of all is use realy realy weak bands to learn it! if i write weak, i mean weak and make them long! weak means when used therra gold: 1cm tapert to 0,5cm! long means: u can stretch theraband abt 5,5 to 6 times use a ratio less then 5. use light amo: use 7 ore 8 mm steel to learn, it is important to loose the fear when the bullet flys with 1 ore 200 miles per houer 2 cm away from your head. when the pouche hit your cheek, and i hope u mean this one in your face, use a lighter pouche. the lightest lether u can get is best, u have no pull force. the most important point is training, the first 10000 shot are hard to hit the target, then u´ll get more and more comfortable with this style. i do more then 1000 shot per day and i´m not able to do it in a fluid motion like smitty said in one of his videos. but i can feel, if i´m doing it correckt my groops are tighter, but i´ve to much flyers. it is always a problem with my mind, if i think about technick, i fail! so controlling your mind is with this technik more important. to learn the correct technik it can be usefull to shoot without a target ore aime.
i´ve made a video, but i´m a long way from a fluid motion, but the way torsten shoot over the chrony is just perfect!
Some helpful starting points - Thank You.
Searched for the video mentioned, can not find...could someone hook me up?
 

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Torsten,
I've said this before,you are an awesome distance shooter Bud! You Geko and Hippel have done a real good job with that Butterfly. You all shoot very smoothly too. Shooting well at distance means you have a very sound release. Torsten,you acually impressed me so much that i now moved my target back to around 40-50 feet-and made the bull smaller too. I figured it would help me when I moved up to standard 10 meter distance-it did. Flatband
Thanks a lot, Gary!!
Also for your comments on youtube!

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i´ve had a the hard way to learn it, but maybe i can give u a few tricks. first of all is use realy realy weak bands to learn it! if i write weak, i mean weak and make them long! weak means when used therra gold: 1cm tapert to 0,5cm! long means: u can stretch theraband abt 5,5 to 6 times use a ratio less then 5. use light amo: use 7 ore 8 mm steel to learn, it is important to loose the fear when the bullet flys with 1 ore 200 miles per houer 2 cm away from your head. when the pouche hit your cheek, and i hope u mean this one in your face, use a lighter pouche. the lightest lether u can get is best, u have no pull force. the most important point is training, the first 10000 shot are hard to hit the target, then u´ll get more and more comfortable with this style. i do more then 1000 shot per day and i´m not able to do it in a fluid motion like smitty said in one of his videos. but i can feel, if i´m doing it correckt my groops are tighter, but i´ve to much flyers. it is always a problem with my mind, if i think about technick, i fail! so controlling your mind is with this technik more important. to learn the correct technik it can be usefull to shoot without a target ore aime.
i´ve made a video, but i´m a long way from a fluid motion, but the way torsten shoot over the chrony is just perfect!
Some helpful starting points - Thank You.
Searched for the video mentioned, can not find...could someone hook me up?
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I think, Baumstamm marked the most important points.

Another point is the way you hold the pouch. I know 3 butterfly-shooters. They all do it in a differant way!
Try different variants and see, which is comfortable for you. I think,there is no right or wrong!

In this video you can see different ways to shoot butterfly:


Especially at 2:10; 2:26; 3:40 and from 6:00 to ca. 9:00
Hope, it helps you!

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Torsten
 
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