Thanks man!! .. yes as stated lower on this post .. it doesnt even need grooves at all .. and I have never had a band slap .. the trick is thin forks .. but it makes for a nice neat containes band wrap ! .. onnthe thicker frames the outer grooves are more needed.. I decided to add them on all of the frames .. like Sia said also .. it really does make for a nice clean sharp reference point for aiming

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