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considering how everyone is crazy about them again- here's how i shoot it. single 1745 tube and supersure superpouch shooting 7/16" and 5/8" steel. once you adapt to just letting it sit where it wants to, it's hard to get a hand hit. i like it for when i walk my dog, i can hold it loaded in my hand and deploy and shoot quickly. I've collected many errant doves on my dog walks.