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SOTM Jan 2021 - Recreate Your Favorite Commercial Frame

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We all have commercially acquired frames we enjoy using. This month it would be great to recreate one of your favourite bought frames and reproduce it.

Any material and mods would be permissIble. When posting please state which or better still have the frame from which you were copying in the photo.
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Nice one PB. Looks like an awesome shooter
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Bingo - sweet looking R10

Island Made - there is still time :)
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IOAN - sweet frame!

How did you go about making this guy?
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Port Boy - gets it :)
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Yeah - TBH I really like that Torque - But without knowing how it was created. I have to make some assumptions. Firstly looks 3d (which isn't an issue) but its just not as polished/slick as I'd like.
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Yeah - some months have been excruciating to judge. Its tough enough comparing a natty to a board cut. having worked in 3D for a time I do know the amount of work that goes into that - and due to the techniques it offers some very cool ability for voids and complex curves which would be almost impossible to do any other way. Its not better or worse than any other process its just different. And TBH its nice seeing people doing frames in all styles and materials.

Don't make my life easier though :)
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Yeah - but 10-20 hours of modelling - a few renders to check fit - adjust etc. On my bill/hr time that would make a single 3D printed frame's value well over $500. It only becomes a $12.00 frame if you mass produce them. And even then not sure how the costs would be plastic/render time.

No its not a beautifully layered titanium core with carbonfibre scales, G10 spacers and mosiac pins. But that don't make it any cheaper to make - you have to look past the final product and delve into the creation - Mean, lets be blunt. A natty can be made for free.
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Seljan had a 3d printed frame available that took heavy bands... Though I do know of at least one which broke after a fork hit.

Also STO was doing some fantastic frames which were able to take full power bands. And there are a few other builders who sell - I think from a strength perspective they are plenty strong enough. Its just down to plastic choice and print integrity.

You have to see it as a completely different medium - no, there is no tactile handwork (unless you're doing some sanding post print) - but to disregard the process actually goes against a core value of my version of SOTM. Its a different approach - and I'd hold any 3D frame to the same high levels of craftsmanship as any other. This month 'that' frame wasn't up to the same level as yours.

And lets point out that 'this' point was argued a few years back in relation to natties and cored frames. It got so heated that members ended up being booted from the forum - or left in a huff. The point was that a natty could simply be cut and sanded - vs a core which needs a certain knowledge and skill...

Also - I'd like to point out - The Seljan Slant was 3D printed and then cast in alloy. Does that extra step make it on par with a cored frame?

I think this is kinda the same argument.
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I know you're not - and I really do get the idea.

When I started the 'new' SOTM I gave a lot of thought to how frames would be submitted - and to create a fair as possible platform. TBH I don't think splitting up anything would be needed. And keeping the approach totally open allows for pushing technology as well as crafting.

There isn't much difference between say 3D print and CNC IMO - but somehow CNC has more cache... But logically thinking it shouldn't - both are tech driven - both have wildly different outcomes.

Don't get me wrong I love a gnarly natty just as much as a 3d printed frame - and covet cored super frames with a lust which is unnatrual (pun).

So I'll keep allowing all mediums - and expect a level which is worthy of consideration :)
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Maybe I'm being confusing :)

I'm all for crafted loveliness - and totally agree on your points. A handmade thing can be beautiful and enduring.

However we also need to give a valid space/platform to new tech. Its conceivable that 3d printed metal frames printed in your own study could be a reality. And not acknowledging the skill/craft involved with the creation of these is also important.

But think people are getting to involved with the concept. I don't see that 3D printed frames will rule supreme at any stage killing all hand craft. The point is that any frame entered is given an equal footing - each process is considered as well as the skill and materials used along with the final outcome.
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