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There's none of the the 2 any better in respect of accuracy that's done to the shooter. I shoot both as accurately and as consistently as each other. But I hunt mainly which is alot of distance shooting and ttf for me doesn't cut it because of the loss of target with the hold over. 馃憣馃幆馃憡馃憤馃彺鬆仹鬆仮鬆伋鬆仯鬆伌鬆伩
 

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Accuracy means different things to different people.

For some, hitting a soda can sized target means they're very accurate, some think hitting a clay pigeon sized target is accurate, and some may feel hitting the tip of a match or cutting a card is accurate... If you are of the latter persuasion then you are more likely to understand, know and feel the difference.

I've had many friends who couldn't shoot a highly tuned sniper rifle any better than a cheap Walmart gun... So yeah, shooting accurately IS in the shooter, not just the slingshot.... Because I can tell you for a fact an actual sniper can shoot a tuned sniper rifle much more accurately than he can shoot a Walmart special.... But here's the thing, he/she can also shoot the Walmart special rifle better than most people can shoot the $5000 tuned sniper rifle as well.

Most likely only in the hands of what may be considered an expert will the true differences be shown.... And yes I do know there are some experts than prefer OTT over TTF... and then again there are also a lot of experts who switched from OTT to TTF after giving it a fair try... Maybe they're wrong, maybe they're right... But I have seen a trend of more and more TTF shooters shooting in the top ranks of tournaments every year.... and more and more winning as well.

When you shoot a slingshot, any slingshot, you have many variables to deal with... stance, sight and band alignment, cant both sideways and to and fro, anchor/ no anchor, grip firmness, arm straightness and rigidity, draw weight to ammo size, and then finally target focus versus sight alignment while making sure all the other factors are correct..... Then release, release like holding a butterfly? Hold in front of ammo, on the ammo, give a tug or pull backwards as you release? And all while trying to breathe in such a way as to not mess everything up....
And I've probably skipped over a few variables as well...

In my opinion, the reason TTF is more inherently accurate then OTT is that TTF is a little more forgiving of minor variable infractions than OTT is.... Meaning, if I don't center the ball exactly in the pouch and my release is the tiniest of a fraction off, the ball is still going to go more inline with the bands than if you did the same with OTT...

So what I'm saying, in a nutshell, NOBODY is perfect.... EVERYBODY makes tiny, minor mistakes in at least some of the variables.... TTF is a tiny amount more forgiving of that.
Now, of course if you're a beginner, or even someone who's been shooting for ages... and you don't have real good control over most of what can go wrong... you'll probably never notice a difference in one versus the other... and in fact may complain that TTF gives you forkhits, when it's your problem release that's the thing, not TTF...
Probably the only things you'll notice with TTF is less handslap, even with mismatched ammo to elastics, or that it's a little noisier because the band impact on the frame.... Regardless of what you do notice, there is a difference in accuracy as well, you just have to be at a level of expertise that most people won't ever achieve to fully appreciate it is all.
 

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Accuracy means different things to different people.

For some, hitting a soda can sized target means they're very accurate, some think hitting a clay pigeon sized target is accurate, and some may feel hitting the tip of a match or cutting a card is accurate... If you are of the latter persuasion then you are more likely to understand, know and feel the difference.

I've had many friends who couldn't shoot a highly tuned sniper rifle any better than a cheap Walmart gun... So yeah, shooting accurately IS in the shooter, not just the slingshot.... Because I can tell you for a fact an actual sniper can shoot a tuned sniper rifle much more accurately than he can shoot a Walmart special.... But here's the thing, he/she can also shoot the Walmart special rifle better than most people can shoot the $5000 tuned sniper rifle as well.

Most likely only in the hands of what may be considered an expert will the true differences be shown.... And yes I do know there are some experts than prefer OTT over TTF... and then again there are also a lot of experts who switched from OTT to TTF after giving it a fair try... Maybe they're wrong, maybe they're right... But I have seen a trend of more and more TTF shooters shooting in the top ranks of tournaments every year.... and more and more winning as well.

When you shoot a slingshot, any slingshot, you have many variables to deal with... stance, sight and band alignment, cant both sideways and to and fro, anchor/ no anchor, grip firmness, arm straightness and rigidity, draw weight to ammo size, and then finally target focus versus sight alignment while making sure all the other factors are correct..... Then release, release like holding a butterfly? Hold in front of ammo, on the ammo, give a tug or pull backwards as you release? And all while trying to breathe in such a way as to not mess everything up....
And I've probably skipped over a few variables as well...

In my opinion, the reason TTF is more inherently accurate then OTT is that TTF is a little more forgiving of minor variable infractions than OTT is.... Meaning, if I don't center the ball exactly in the pouch and my release is the tiniest of a fraction off, the ball is still going to go more inline with the bands than if you did the same with OTT...

So what I'm saying, in a nutshell, NOBODY is perfect.... EVERYBODY makes tiny, minor mistakes in at least some of the variables.... TTF is a tiny amount more forgiving of that.
Now, of course if you're a beginner, or even someone who's been shooting for ages... and you don't have real good control over most of what can go wrong... you'll probably never notice a difference in one versus the other... and in fact may complain that TTF gives you forkhits, when it's your problem release that's the thing, not TTF...
Probably the only things you'll notice with TTF is less handslap, even with mismatched ammo to elastics, or that it's a little noisier because the band impact on the frame.... Regardless of what you do notice, there is a difference in accuracy as well, you just have to be at a level of expertise that most people won't ever achieve to fully appreciate it is all.
I was gonna say for the past 3 years at least the winner of the ECST & SEST have shot TTF.

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Like Bill and others have said,"Shoot the style you feel most comfortable with-frame wise and band attachment style wise. That combo and a lot of practice will get you more Bulls. There are great shooters using either styles.
 

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Isn鈥檛 the idea behind TTF being fundamentally more accurate based on the idea it has no inherent curve in the way OTT does because it goes through the forks similar to a rifle? Where as OTT adds a slight curve because it goes around the top. That makes sense in my head. In practice I can鈥檛 tell a difference I just know that I like OTT a lot more. So I shoot it a lot more and am more accurate with it. I can see bench testing favoring TTF though when getting into the nitty gritty though.

I think you鈥檒l just be more accurate with what method you enjoy shooting more though because the difference isn鈥檛 exactly huge. But if you鈥檙e absolutely seeking the best accuracy possible with no real preference between the two TTF probably has a slight edge.
 

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I love how everyone is like no no difference its down to the shooter. Then one of the top table says nope I shoot ttf it's more accurate and the same people are like yup ttf is more accurate 馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ馃幆 mad!!! it's down to the shooter not the style is what i think and im sticking with that 馃彺鬆仹鬆仮鬆伋鬆仯鬆伌鬆伩馃憡馃憤馃憣馃幆
 

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Just do your own tests and video them... prove me wrong.... everything else is just conjecture
I love how everyone is like no no difference its down to the shooter. Then one of the top table says nope I shoot ttf it's more accurate and the same people are like yup ttf is more accurate 馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ馃幆 mad!!! it's down to the shooter not the style is what i think and im sticking with that 馃彺鬆仹鬆仮鬆伋鬆仯鬆伌鬆伩馃憡馃憤馃憣馃幆
Don't really see what you're talking about.... as far as I can see, looking back through the thread.... no one changed what they said or their opinion...

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ATT - is against the ties :cool:

I use tubes and ATT allows for an accurate band attachment - also tha ability to easily align bands, and use them for aiming.
THX for reply but now even more misunderstanding.
You use tubes but then speak of bands?
Are you shooting bands ,tube cuffs as attachment?
Other?
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Just made up 3/4 draw ttf for the very first time, before all 3/4 ott and ttf earlobe anchor.
So far so good, in fact just might
become my fav set up.
Maybe its just in my head but ttf offering the bands in line from
a planer perspective with pouch intuitively feels better, vs ott where bands are 90 * off.
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I'm just using tubes and bands as a collective TBH. You can also have flat bands ATT...

I use a modified matchstick attachment usually - but also occularis (single tubes) - and you could argue that looped tubes esp. in less than full loops is technically ATT as well as ball in tube.
 

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I get a kick out of your videos Bill. I think this may be the only video of yours that doesn't contain Gail Force winds! It is always blowing down there. This is the calmest I've seen. Cool Vid!
 

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Bill! Nice to see you around :)
Yes - in the general definition ATT would be TTF. However I'd argue that the current understanding is that TTF would be ATS (Around the side) and that ATT actually isn't the same approach. Also If I have my Tibetan Antelope frame with the bands tied off through the band groove in ATT still be TTF (If only by extreme definition)?
Guess it brings up a point... OTT we all absolutely understand, but TTF is a grey area.
 
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